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About: Lanarkshire Community Services / GP Out of Hours service NHS 24 / NHS 24 (111 service)

(as the patient),

I contacted NHS 24 at 1.20pm and spoke to an advisor I informed the call handler I have suffered asthma from age 5, I have had symptoms of a cold since earlier in the week, which I thought was just a head cold.  However in the last day I have become more breathless having to wake in the night to take inhalers, I am bringing up phleghm which is dirty and knowing my own body believe I have a chest infection and require an antibiotic before my symptoms get worse.  I was advised I would be contacted by OOH and either offered an appointment or prescription.

I was contacted by OOH and advised due to a high volume of cases presenting I would not be offered an appointment and if my symptoms get worse to attend accident and emergency, I asked if they were aware I am asthmatic and was told no they were an admin worker who has been asked to call me. I asked to speak to a clinician and was informed no one was available as they were too busy.  Obviously I was angry as I know my symptoms can worsen quickly and this is why I was seeking help, I asked ‘what happens if I die and you have refused to see me’ and was advised they understood my frustration but I should go to A&E.

I again contacted NHS 24 and raised concerns with the call handler who was very helpful, saying they hadn’t heard of this before and would need to speak to a senior, they eventually came back to me and said the advice they had been give was that if OOH were at full capacity I would indeed have to attend A&E.

I advised the call handler I was a nurse and this is not the correct use of emergency services and asked for the call handler's seniors name, I was passed a team manager who advised they would put me through triage again, I asked what would be different this time as my answers would be the same, I also asked for their second name and was informed they were not obliged to supply this, I asked that they email me an account of why I am being advised to go to A&E for a chest infection, but I was told they don't have the facility to do this, asked about complaints procedure and was advised to contact NHS inform, I was then passed back to the call handlerand went through triage again.

During triage I was asked to hold on as they had to consult with a nurse, I then spoke to a senior charge nurse, who said they could hear me wheezing and would get one of the doctors to contact me, I thanked them for their help.

I was contacted by a doctor about an hour later and was prescribed steroids for 5 days and an antibiotic for 7 days, which was faxed to a local chemist.

Whilst I eventually received the necessary treatment I worry that other people would be accepting of advice to attend A&E, I work for NHS and understand that everyone is over stretched and busy, however to make use of an emergency department, when GP’s are on call in my opinion is a total waste of resources.  As a nurse I would never refuse to see a patient seeking help, if OOH are at capacity at 3.30pm in the day this needs addressed by senior management, and a more efficient system needs to be structured to meet the needs of all patients.

As aforementioned I manage my health well and would not seek help unless absolutely necessary and I knew this couldn’t wait till Monday when my GP practice opened.

Following treatment although not beck to full health and still wheezing my breathing is now improved, however I am frustrated an disappointed of the process I needed to go through in order to receive the necessary treatment, and worry that if I couldn’t be seen at 3.30 in the afternoon what advice was given to people calling later in the day, whilst I am proud to work for NHS, being on the other side as a patient was definitely not a good patient journey.

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Response from Andrew Cassidy, Patient Experience Officer, Nursing & Care, NHS 24 nearly 2 years ago
Andrew Cassidy
Patient Experience Officer, Nursing & Care,
NHS 24

I manage Patient and Service User Feedback

Submitted on 15/06/2022 at 17:12
Published on Care Opinion at 17:12


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Dear Rita321,

Thank you for sharing your story on Care Opinion. I was sorry to read that you had been so badly affected by a chest infection. I was pleased to read that, while you are not back to full health, you are recovering well. I appreciate that this will have been a worrying time for you.

My team manages feedback relating to care provided by NHS 24 and I am pleased to have the opportunity to respond to your feedback regarding the care provided by NHS 24. I was pleased to read that, on your first call to NHS 24, you were referred for onward assessment by your local Out of Hours Team. I was sorry to read that, due to capacity issues, they were unable to see you, and that you subsequently had to call NHS 24 again. I note that colleagues from NHS Lanarkshire have been tagged in this story; this will allow them to respond to the issues you raised regarding capacity at your local Out of Hours service.

While I was pleased to read that the Call Handler who managed your second call to NHS 24 was helpful, I am keen to understand how your second call to the service was managed. To enable me to do this, I would be very grateful if you would contact me directly at patient.experience@nhs24.scot.nhs.uk, providing me with your name, date of birth, and the date of your calls to 111. With this information, I will be able to arrange for a full review of your contact with NHS 24 and respond fully to the issues you raise. I would agree with you that your experience does not constitute a good patient journey, and I am keen to learn what we can learn from this to improve our service going forward. I am sorry that this was your experience, and very much look forward to hearing from you so that we can review your contact with the service. I would be grateful if, when responding, you include your Care Opinion user name (Rita321).

Once again, I would like to thank you for sharing your story with us. I would like to apologise that this was your experience, and look forward to hearing from you. I wish you all the very best for your ongoing recovery.

With best wishes,

Andrew

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Response from Pamela Buddy, Service Manager, Out of Hours Service, NHS Lanarkshire nearly 2 years ago
Pamela Buddy
Service Manager, Out of Hours Service,
NHS Lanarkshire
Submitted on 23/06/2022 at 13:52
Published on Care Opinion at 14:17


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Thank you for sharing your story and I am sorry to hear that when you required an OOH appointment the service was under severe pressure and you were advised to contact your local Emergency Department. When you received the call it was a member of the OOH administration team who unfortunately is not clinically trained so was unable to offer any advice regarding your condition.

I hope you are recovering well now and if you require any further queries from the OOH service please contact Patient Affairs who will pass on your concerns for investigation.

Regards, Pamela.

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