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"My mother passing away"

About: District Nursing

(as a carer),

My mother died on the 12th of November 2020 at 16:55. Prior to dying she received palliative care at my home address.  

My sister has already written in regarding the outstanding care and consideration given my mum during my mum’s end of life care, from the District Nurses from the Pitlochry Community Hospital. I mirror her sentiments. They were absolutely fantastic in their care for my mother. They were empathetic, kind and caring. 

The day District Nurses told us to call the  out of hours District Nurses and they would come and assist. That they would be updated on my mum’s condition. They said even if my mum had slight discomfort to call the out of hours district nurses. They said that the out of hours district nurses would come from Perth (40 minute drive away).

Unfortunately, I had to call the out of hours team and the experience was awful, I quickly got the sense from their questions that they did not want to come to my house. Her tone and manner were inappropriate given my mum’s situation and that it was end of life care. She said they needed to assess my mum’s condition; they would need to book a taxi if they were coming to see my mum and that’s why they were asking these questions. I told her that she was asking me to assess my mum and I was not medically experienced to do that. I became very angry with the district nurse.

As I was speaking to her and answering the multitude of questions, I was sitting next to my mum’s bed, her breathing, which was previously shallow, had developed into heavy, noisy and laboured breathing. Her breathing was so difficult that her cheeks were being sucked in until they both touched. I could not believe what was happening and why I was being drilled with question after question. I asked out right if she had a problem coming to my house. The District Nurse said she needed to speak with someone else and she would call me back.

I received a call from another District Nurse who, when I answered the call, immediately said that one of her District Nurses had just come to her upset because of the call she had just had with me. I was furious by this time. After a very strained conversation This District Nurse said there had been a misunderstanding and she would come out. She explained that they would need to book a taxi and would get to us. All this time I was sitting with my mum who was distressed in her breathing.

My sister and I moved my mum’s position, and this settled her. I called the out of hours number and I told them not to come out. I was told that they had already left in a taxi. They never arrived. The District Nurse had an I told you so tone in her voice when I spoke with her. It was not pleasant.

My sister, my family and I were reluctant to call them again. We were taking 3 hour shifts sitting with my mum through the night and at times her breathing was heavier – we were unsure what to do. 

I spoke with the District Nurses during the day about what had happened the night before and they informed me that they had explained the situation to the out of hours team. They said they would get in touch with them again and explain my mum’s normal presentation and her situation. We had to call the day team for the same situation as the night before and they came to our house as quickly as they could, and on assessing my mum’s condition they gave her a top up of medication to ease things for her. This happened each time we called.

Unfortunately, we needed to call the out of hours District Nurse team again. A District Nurse arrived and on entering my mum’s room she looked at my mum and said that this was just natural progression and she could not really do anything. I had to walk out the room (I was feeling really angry), my sister spoke to her.

The District Nurse said to my sister that my mum did not look uncomfortable. This surprised my sister given that my mum, in general, looked almost as if she was asleep whilst she was going through the process of dying. It was clear my mum looked as if she was struggling to breath, her cheeks were being sucked in her sides where pushing right out and her breathing was deep and quick.

My sister then said to the nurse it was important for er mum to be comfortable in which the nurse replied,  we have to make sure we are giving the medication based on the correct basis, or words to that effect. Yet, the night before they were happy for me to make that assessment if it saved them the journey to my house.

At the start of the District Nurse’s assessment of mum she was very cold with no empathy whatsoever. She made comments about the people awake in my house so late at night, she made comments about my mums’ pad being wet. She did offer my sister to help change my mum’s pad, but my sister got the sense she was assessing her care of my mum rather than being helpful. 

The following day, the District Nurses advised us  to call out of hours if needed. At this my sister burst out crying, and said she found this difficult because of the way they were.

The services between day and night were like ‘chalk’ and ‘cheese’. The service my mum received during the day was fantastic. In my opinion it shone a big massive light on how poor the out of hours service was.

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Response from Debbie Baldie, Senior Nurse, Practice Development, Nursing and Midwifery Directorate, NHS Tayside 3 years ago
Debbie Baldie
Senior Nurse, Practice Development, Nursing and Midwifery Directorate,
NHS Tayside

I work with senior nurses to improve care standards through providing training and support

Submitted on 05/01/2021 at 12:05
Published on Care Opinion at 12:05


Hello, I am so sorry to hear the terrible time you had when caring for your mum while she faced the end of her life and how much care and behaviours varied between night and day.

I am also sorry to say that I am unable to provide a helpful response to you on this right now as I don't lead that team but I will endeavor to share your experience with the lead for the service today and they will be back in contact on the Care Opinion site in the first instance.

Please accept my condolences at this really difficult time.

Warmest regards

Debbie Baldie, Senior Nurse, Research and Development and Interim Operational Lead for Care Opinion

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Update posted by SomeoneWhoCares (a carer)

Debbie,

Thank you for getting in touch and letting me know how you will be progressing this. It is much appreciated.

Kind Regards

Response from Debbie Baldie, Senior Nurse, Practice Development, Nursing and Midwifery Directorate, NHS Tayside 3 years ago
Debbie Baldie
Senior Nurse, Practice Development, Nursing and Midwifery Directorate,
NHS Tayside

I work with senior nurses to improve care standards through providing training and support

Submitted on 20/01/2021 at 12:10
Published on Care Opinion at 12:10


I am so sorry for the loss of your mother and for the poor support you experienced from the out of hours service. Your experience does not reflect the level of care and support we aim to provide to patients and their families.

I would be really keen to understand the issue in more detail so I can explore this with the relevant colleagues working in that service. in that way we can understand what needs to change to improve other families' experiences. To do so I will need some more details. Could you please get in touch with me to discuss further, and please do that at a time when it is right for you? I appreciate this will all still be raw for you and your family so whenever it suits.

Chris Lamont
Locality Manager
Perth City
Ph: 01738 459527

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Update posted by SomeoneWhoCares (a carer)

Hello Debbie,

It is extremely disheartening at the length of time it is taking for me to receive a response. with any real meaning in relation to my feedback. I have called the number you have noted in your message and received no response. I called on the day you posted the message and left my name and contact number. I have not even had an acknowledgement.

Response from Debbie Baldie, Senior Nurse, Practice Development, Nursing and Midwifery Directorate, NHS Tayside 3 years ago
Debbie Baldie
Senior Nurse, Practice Development, Nursing and Midwifery Directorate,
NHS Tayside

I work with senior nurses to improve care standards through providing training and support

Submitted on 02/02/2021 at 10:48
Published on Care Opinion at 10:48


Dear "Someonewhocares"

I am so sorry! I will alert Chris to your message on the number provided and hopefully he will get back to ASAP.

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Response from Debbie Baldie, Senior Nurse, Practice Development, Nursing and Midwifery Directorate, NHS Tayside 3 years ago
Debbie Baldie
Senior Nurse, Practice Development, Nursing and Midwifery Directorate,
NHS Tayside

I work with senior nurses to improve care standards through providing training and support

Submitted on 02/02/2021 at 13:16
Published on Care Opinion at 13:16


I have now been able to connect with Chris. Unfortunately because of COVID-19 he is working remotely so has not been able to access his office phone- he is very sorry that this wasn't communicated to you. He can be contacted on 07740937717.

I hope this helps you progress these issues.

Kind regards

Debbie

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Update posted by SomeoneWhoCares (a carer)

Thank you Debbie.

Response from Debbie Baldie, Senior Nurse, Practice Development, Nursing and Midwifery Directorate, NHS Tayside 3 years ago
Debbie Baldie
Senior Nurse, Practice Development, Nursing and Midwifery Directorate,
NHS Tayside

I work with senior nurses to improve care standards through providing training and support

Submitted on 05/02/2021 at 14:57
Published on Care Opinion at 14:57


You are welcome - least I can do.

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