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"The Right Care in the Right Place"

About: Inverclyde Royal Hospital / Accident & Emergency NHS 24 / NHS 24 (111 service) NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde / Flow Navigation Centre

(as a relative),

My husband recently injured his leg with a rusty screw in the garden.  We cleaned the wound and checked NHS Inform in relation to the need for a Tetanus injection. The NHS Inform advice was to phone NHS 24 on 111, which we did.  We selected the ring back option and received a call back at an hour. The NHS 24 call handler went through the assessment and we waited to speak to a nurse for about 20 minutes. The NHS 24 nurse then carried out their assessment and we received an outcome of referral to GG&C and to wait on their phone call.  Both the call handler and nurse were pleasant and kept us informed.

We received a call back from GG&C hub within 6 minutes and were advised that as virtual appointments were full we were being sent to A&E at IRH. The member of staff advised my husbands that his details and contact with NHS 24 and GG&C hub would be sent to A&E at IRH, he would be added to the list and they would be aware he was coming. 

My husband arrived at A&E 30 minutes after the call from GG&C hub and checked in at reception, explaining he had been sent via the GG&C hub.  The waiting time advised at A&E at that point was 4 hours.  

We have no concerns with the NHS 24 or GG&C hub contact. Both were handled professionally.

After four and a half hours he was still waiting to be seen and asked a member of staff  on reception how much longer he would be and again that he was sent there via NHS 24/GG&C hub.  They advised that it didn't matter if you went via NHS 24/GG&C hub or were a walk-in through the door, everyone waited the same time. 

Posters all throughout the A&E department noted that A&E was for emergencies only and if your condition was not life threatening you may be redirected to another healthcare service better suited and that you should call 111 if your condition was not life threatening.  This then begs the question of what is the point in phoning NHS 24 on 111 and following the process to access The Right Care in the Right Place if it makes no difference when you do this?  Ultimately we could have went straight to A&E ourselves and been seen and saved an hour and a half on the phone following the process that NHS Inform and the A&E department itself tells you to follow.  

At this point the waiting time then changed to 6 hours after he spoke to the member of staff on reception.

6 hours after arriving at A&E, he was finally seen by a doctor who then told him he should have went to his own GP in the morning, again completely contradicting the system that we followed to access The Right Care in the Right Place via the appropriate channels.  He was finally given a Tetanus injection and sent home.

Therefore can GG&C advise us what the correct process is that we should have followed.  Do we just turn up at an A&E as a walk-in, or do we go via NHS 24 on 111 as is advertised on NHS Inform, on the GG&C A&E website, within GG&C's own departments and by mainstream media?  

My understanding was that the process of going via NHS 24 and GG&C hub was to ensure patients accessed the most appropriate care quickly and safely and also to help protect the Accident & Emergency Departments (A&E). However, if as the member of staff on reception says, it doesn't matter if you come via NHS 24 or a walk in you'll be treated the same, then in all honesty in future we will skip the wait on the phone to NHS 24 and just attend the department as a walk-in. 

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Response from Edward Pool, Lead Advanced Nurse Practitioner & Clinical Services Manager, Flow Navigation Centre, NHSGGC last month
Edward Pool
Lead Advanced Nurse Practitioner & Clinical Services Manager, Flow Navigation Centre,
NHSGGC
Submitted on 28/03/2024 at 15:57
Published on Care Opinion at 16:28


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Dear Axel22f

I am disappointed to hear that you were unable to be given a virtual appointment and were instead signposted to the Emergency Department which, from your description, sounds to have been under significant pressure at that time. This is not the experience we aim to provide for patients and I appreciate your efforts to seek healthcare via the NHS24 route rather than self presenting to the Emergency Department. Please accept my apologies for this poor experience.

Unfortunately, it is difficult to investigate what happened in more depth due to this feedback coming through anonymously. I would be keen to look into this in more detail for you. If you consent to me doing this then contacting me by email would be really helpful, my address is edward.pool@ggc.scot.nhs.uk.

Thank you

Ed

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Response from Laura Neil, Interim Head of Clinical Governance & Quality Improvement/ Lead AHP, NHS 24 last month
Laura Neil
Interim Head of Clinical Governance & Quality Improvement/ Lead AHP,
NHS 24
Submitted on 28/03/2024 at 17:52
Published on Care Opinion at 17:52


Dear Axel22f

Thank-you for sharing your experience on Care Opinion. I am sorry to learn that you had cause to access our NHS Inform and 111 services following your husbands injury. I hope that he is now recovering well.

I am sorry to read that you did not experience the messaging to be joined up or consistent regarding the correct route to access care. Current advice is to call NHS 24 prior to attending A&E if your condition is not felt to be life threatening. I acknowledge the response from my colleague from NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde offering to look into this for you.

However, I am pleased to read that you were satisfied with the NHS 24 elements of your husbands care. It sounds like you accessed our virtual queue which is a new initiative that we have been testing. If you wish to share some more information with me I could look into this in further detail as part of its evaluation. I could also identify the staff who managed your call to NHS 24 and share your Care Opinion story with them. We always like to ensure that staff see positive feedback to reinforce for them how valued their care is when people call our services. You can contact me by email at Patient.Experience@nhs24.scot.nhs.uk

Thank you again for sharing your experience.

Kind regards

Laura

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