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"Elderly relative and their journey"

About: Community Physiotherapy / Perth City Community Physiotherapy Team Community Services / Home Assessment Recovery Team (HART) Community Wards / Tay Ward - Care of the Elderly General practices in Tayside NHS 24 / NHS 24 (111 service) Ninewells Hospital / Medicine for the Elderly Older People's Mental Health Perth Royal Infirmary / Acute Medical Unit Scottish Ambulance Service / Emergency Ambulance Scottish Ambulance Service / Patient Transport Service

(as a relative),

My elderly mother in law started with D&V. Family members had the cleaning up to do including personal care etc.

Carer had phoned NHS24 during the morning and Doctor arrived that evening. Gave her a type of Imodium.

Three days later - Carer phoned doctor as my mother in law was complaining of very sore back and couldn’t move well. A Doctor and a Nurse arrived and took bloods and did what we believe to be a Dementia test.

Just as the Doctor was leaving, my mother in law told the Doctor that she was constipated and he prescribed Lactulose twice daily , which she took on two days and she became extremely incontinent. Family members again had to provide personal care, cleaning up - a significant effort for us, given our own age. It’s clear that this prescription was not necessary, shouldn’t have been prescribed and resulted in significant discomfort and distress to everyone involved.

During a family visit that afternoon my mother in law rose to go to the toilet and I noticed her trousers were very wet at the back. Few mins later, she called on me to help her. She was in dreadful state of helplessness and needed a great deal of personal care having suffered additional episodes of incontinence.

GP phoned around in the afternoon with blood test result. It was explained that my mother in law had High Potassium and low sodium levels. Consideration given to admitting her that evening. They decided to call the on-call consultant at Perth Royal Infirmary when decision was made that more bloods would be taken by nurse the following morning, just in case the first bloods weren’t correct.

GP phoned back the next day to inform us an ambulance would convey my mother in law for admission to Perth Royal Infirmary (PRI) that evening. GP provided a letter to be given to the PRI medical team. She was in PRI 11 days.

After those 11 days We received a phonecall from PRI saying my mother in law was getting home. Once home she complained almost daily that she was exhausted and not interested in eating much. No follow-up from hospital physio or anyone was provided.

A few days later in the early hours of the morning, the Community Alarm team called us to explain that my mother in law had had a fall in her bedroom trying to get onto the commode. They said they wouldn’t manage to get to her for over an hour and asked family to attend. Family got there 15 minutes later, and community alarm team arrived around an hour later and got her back in bed.

Family visited my mother in law early afternoon the next day and found her on her commode in bedroom having never been out of bed that morning. Had no breakfast but carer had managed to give her bit of lunch.

We struggled really badly trying to get her off the commode and into her bed.

We decided to call NHS 24 which took over an hour to get through. After many questions etc. it was decided to send an ambulance. Paramedics arrived in the late afternoon, did some tests and decided she would need to be admitted to Ninewells hospital in case something was broken as she was complaining of back and leg pain. We were called later in the evening by Ninewells to say my mother in law was admitted, and would be in over night but that nothing appeared to be broken.

The following morning  a nurse in Ninewells called us informing us that my mother in law had been admitted overnight by ambulance to Ninewells. The nurse believed we were totally unaware of this. There had clearly not been any communication or handover done. We explained to her what had actually happened. Nurse said my mother in law likely to be transferred to AMU.

On that evening in Ninewellls, at the point of visiting, we were informed that my mother in law had tested + for Covid19 and that it was inadvisable to enter the room.

We were informed that my mother in law would be being transferred back to PRI that afternoon/evening .

We were informed not to visit because she was in isolation.

We were informed she was negative later in the week. Family was asked to attend a meeting with occupational therapist(OT) in PRI .. which we did and we were asked to find a care home for respite care for 2-4 weeks as there would be no care available for her overnight which is what would be needed to get her home.

OT at PRI said they would continue to work with her in PRI till we found a care home and they would send physio and OT to care home to give her exercise, as she needed help getting out of bed etc during the night. Family finally found a care home with free room and was asked by a member of PRI to let them know as soon as we had reserved a room. A week later I informed the staff that my mother in law would move to care home at the beginning of March. The member of staff scribbled down the details and threw it on the table outside of the bay dismissively and walked away. Then realised what they had done, turned round and said a very quiet sorry and walked away. I was not happy with that and I decided to inform another staff member who was attending my mother in law and gave them the information.

The day before discharge, the discharge team member phoned to ask which care home my mother in law was going to, so they could engage an ambulance. She was then discharged to Care Home for some respite care as the right level/package of care wasn't available.

As of now, my mother in law has been in the care home one week and neither Physio or OT have been to see her.

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Responses

Response from David King, Patient Experience Coordinator, Corporate Affairs, Scottish Ambulance Service 13 months ago
David King
Patient Experience Coordinator, Corporate Affairs,
Scottish Ambulance Service
Submitted on 13/03/2023 at 14:47
Published on Care Opinion at 14:47


Dear Concerned relation

Thank you for sharing your story.

It sounds like your whole family have had a very worrying time..

I do hope your mother in law is more comfortable now and is beginning to recover.

I am sure that NHS Tayside will be in touch shortly.

If there is any aspect of the Scottish Ambulance's Service that you wish to provide feedback for may I ask that you contact our Patient Experience Team at sas.feedback@nhs.scot with your name, Care Opinion name, your mother in law's name and the date and address we attended.

Kindest regards

David

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Response from Shona Lawrence, Clinical Governance Lead, Nursing and Care, NHS 24 13 months ago
Shona Lawrence
Clinical Governance Lead, Nursing and Care,
NHS 24
Submitted on 13/03/2023 at 15:56
Published on Care Opinion at 15:56


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Dear Concerned relation

Thank you for sharing such a detailed story. It sounds as though this has been an extremely challenging time for you all. I wish your mother in law well and hope that services are in place soon to support her.

I note you have raised a number of issues within your story. I respond however in relation to the contact which was made with NHS 24. I see you mention two contacts with us when seeking assistance for your mother in law. I am sorry for the extended wait time for your call to be answered when contacting us for the second time. I appreciate this will have added frustration to an already worrying situation. I also note your comment in relation to the number of questions asked. I understand these may seem excessive, however, please be assured these are to ensure patient safety and a fully informed assessment of a patient's symptoms and situation is undertaken. Thanks for your feedback on this. It's always good to receive such comments for our consideration.

NHS Tayside are best placed to respond to a number of the issues you have raised.

Should you wish to share anything further with me directly about the contact with NHS 24, I would be pleased to listen and learn from you. You can call me on 07814 299944 or email Patient.Experience@nhs24.scot.nhs.uk

With best wishes to you all meantime.

Shona

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Response from Lynsey Scanlon, Perth and Kinross Health & Social Care Partnership 13 months ago
Lynsey Scanlon
Perth and Kinross Health & Social Care Partnership
Submitted on 13/03/2023 at 16:54
Published on Care Opinion at 21:13


Dear Concerned relation,

Thank you for sharing your story and the challenges you have faced as a family and I hope your mother in law is doing better.

We do hold a waiting list for our community physiotherapy services and I'm sorry if this was not communicated to you. There are different community physiotherapy services within Perth and Kinross. In order for us to identify the service your mother in law has been referred to, please give our team a call on 01738 475 975 and we would be happy to discuss this in more detail with you.

Best wishes,

Lynsey

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Response from Geraldine Knight, Care Opinion Engagement Worker, P&K HSCP 13 months ago
Geraldine Knight
Care Opinion Engagement Worker,
P&K HSCP

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Submitted on 17/03/2023 at 14:26
Published on Care Opinion at 15:23


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Dear Concerned Relation

Thank you so much for taking the time to share your story with us. I was very sorry to learn of your concerns surrounding the care of your mother-in-law whilst in some of our services. Your story has given a detailed experience of moving through various services whilst your mother-in-law has been ill and requiring care, which has obviously been very stressful for you all as a family.

I hope that your mother-in-law is finding the care home environment to be beneficial while she continues on her improvement journey.

Our Senior Nurse, Anne Davidson, who manages Tay Ward alongside Senior Charge Nurse, Sandra Griffin, would personally like to apologise for how you were responded to when provided information about a care facility for your mother-in-law, we agree the behaviour of the staff member was not acceptable, nor the normal level of care and service they provide. Your story and feedback will be shared and discussed with the teams involved to assist in our learning and improvement journey.

Should you wish it, we would welcome the opportunity to discuss your experience and invite you to contact NHS Tayside Complaints and Feedback team;

Phone; NHS Tayside Switchboard - 01382 660111 ext 8620

Email; tay.feedback@nhs.scot

By letter;

The Complaints and Feedback Team

Ninewells Hospital

Dundee

DD1 9SY

Once again, on behalf of all our teams, we thank you for taking the time to let us know about your experience and for giving us the opportunity to learn from this, we are always willing to learn how to make a better, positive experience for all people using our services.

Kindest regards

Geraldine Knight

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